TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Beyonder: Sonuva. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was. m99. I. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. At the very least, it will be a stalemate. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. Pre Beyonder Had the power of the authors and could do literally anything he wanted. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. TOAA is a god for gods. The power of love is said to be a threat. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. Wiki Points. 3. Hands down. Follow 4160. @TheLegendary32 said:. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. a god in the naruto verse is a microbe against a beyonder whom gods (aka the abstracts) in marvel verse fear. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Dante 1 y 7 d. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. he is immensely powerful since he can wipe out anyone easily but still below TOAA. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Jayfournines. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. Juntai. Sppople. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER | Special Attacks and Moves | Keanu Reeves in MARVEL Nick Coss 24. Follow 4160. But Thanos with HoTU became one with all. Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. Thanos wins. No . I mean they give birth to he and his powers. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Even if it logically and rationally. Nope. She/Her. However, just like DC, Marvel doesn't get super into the whole infinite universes within infinite universes stuff like Umineko does, so he might end up getting stomped too. Beyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U! The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. One Universe of a difference. #4. The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. . Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. Or Melkor rebelling against eru. I really can't be asked to go. Beyonder Doom 14. We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. Featherine. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. #1. R5, same idea as R4. TOAA cannot warp his own creations without tech and The Beyonder was a creation of TOAA with the same power set. 2. . No . He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. Pre-retcon Beyonder. 0. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Vision House Of Ideas 11. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. #1 Nicholas_Jones. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. We all know TOAA, but Enigma (Defenders:Beyond #5) and The Lost One (All Out Avengers #4) seem positioned to be more powerful than TOAA. 0. 12 years ago. Hajun, if not Beyonder. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know,. 13 / 10. to win. Prepare for. The Living Tribunal is TOAA's right-hand cosmic entity. I see through many eyes. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. TOAA (not the Above All Others version) is NOT The Presence counterpart (Marvel-DC), this character is the equivalent to The Writer. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters here. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. " Like it could be as simple as that if the writer really wanted to. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Aug 10, 2018 #25 Well beyonder is just fiction to oblivion. " I am the One Above All. That being said, I'm fairly certain that Thanos and the Beyonder take this. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. Meaning he became everything and everyone. it would be mostly stalemate. I think the idea. I'll go for the. No it is not. Explore Gaming. The TOAA and Presence will beat Beyonder but if you look at my first post. Loki God Of Stories 17. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. If we however assume that Johnny isn't just above Deku and Bakugo where Deku and Bakugo. 9 years ago. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. both teams have omnipotent. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. 1. Even if TOAA tried to lose I don't think it could. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. So there are two possibilities here. Not even beyonder is that powerful. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. Job Burke 4. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. Writers later on depowered The Beyonder, which resulted with other versions. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Jayfournines. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. His. 6th. Minstry_of_pain. #14. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) vs Beatrice both at 1A who will win´╝ƒ. 11 years ago. ago. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. Even The. To me TOAA is the creator (writer/artist). -Everything in bleach. Neither of. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. 4 years ago. Thought Robot without any effort. 1%. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. His main motivation was to learn more about good and evil. The Two fight in the beyond realm. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionSo you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. and to become. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. . PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. Khael. He has no limits Pre Retcon. Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder #. But the Beyonder can destroy universal conceptual beings (as seen above when he kills death itself). So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. Aug 9, 2016 #10 Overseer due to wiki rules you must request a content revision and debate for this changes. 6. 4. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. ago. . In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. It hardly even implies that the last frontier is TOAA while basically directly saying that there are beings stronger than TOAA, And when confronted they will say ‘It obviously means rl, Source: Trust me Bro’ when the only reason it could mean that is because it mentions Loki and Beyonder wanting to go to the Real World. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. Stalemate. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Now House Of Ideas 13. beyonder Yep, lol. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. Here is a scan where he states even he was shaped by external forces and he couldn't defeat the Great Evil Beast" camp and the "Yeah-huh, that scan is inconclusive as he could be referring to the writers and since the GEB was his other half, it might be just. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. IIRC pre-retcon Beyonder. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. Probably thanos as he seemed to. ago Almighty wins against Beyonder and Oblivion. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. I dunno. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. If beyonder has knowledge beforehand then it becomes a more pitched battle with the scarlet king holding the slight power advantage (High 1A - Low 1A) and is now on a time limit to kill beyonder before his seals are removed and killed himself. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. 5 years ago. TOAA is above all. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Viners voted on it. 9 years. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. TOAA have failed. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Forum Posts. Beyonder 16. From secret wars there was only one beyonder. No. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. TOAA in fact survived. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. Forum Posts. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. They are so many tiers apart that it's not even worth trying to count. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. -This version is considered to be Omnipotent. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. 3 years ago. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. Juntai. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, and Scan 4. Follow 331. Forum Posts. 2. and it's the rules of the. Follow 16580. In other words, every individual hero, villain, plant, animal and atom is just a part of TOAA, but TOAA is also more than the summation of all of these. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. As. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Strange, The Living Tribunal, Cosmic Abstracts (including ones that embody the concept of time, death, and infinity), Beyonder, Molecule Man, the omniverse, etc. First it introduced us to the Avengers Infinity stones saga, which ended with Avengers Endgame and now i. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. Follow 1. Thanos w HOTU and PR BeyonderVSLTWhite Crown of PhoenixEternityZero-Hour ParallaxObvilianDeathAdam Warlock w IGAbraxasGalactus with the Ultimate NuffiThe PM is basically a rip off of what classic Beyonder was. Thanos mastering the Heart of the Universe does not equal him to infinity, or the one above all. “INTO THE OCEAN OF REALITY YOU HAVE CROSSED DIMENSIONAL PLANES. 0. Max Deen. and yes, its the. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. 2. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. Characters like LT, God Spawn, and Michael Demiurgos. Beyonder for the curbstomp. @majestic99. No one is that powerful. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. Lord Of Shambala 5. beyonder Yep, lol. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. Dude’s absolutely broken. Not once. 3. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. @The Mjolnir Wielder: Doubt it, Beyonder has a weak will and can easily be manipulated. s. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. #33 Edited By The_Scourge. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. As he had the ability to stop the Beyonder(s) should he have chosen. Wiki Points. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). If by classic beyonder you mean the most powerful version, then its a stalemate. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Follow 15315. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. 14 years ago. TOAA have failed. Jan 1, 2019. This. bluepride1234. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. TOAA remains TOAA and this object will still not. ago. 14 years ago. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. Meaning he became everything and everyone. [deleted] • 8 yr. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. This topic is locked from further discussion. I see him as toaa's equal. Agreed. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. 1. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. Neutral these battles dont make sense. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. Team stomps 50% . 56 results. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. 8 C. They were both supreme powers above the LT. TOAA has no powers. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. 0. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. Round 1: In character Round 2: Blood lusted. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. s. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Beyonder - Millions of times as powerful as the Multiverse combined, but almost dies from being hit by The Phoenix Force and the sum of the Multiverse, proving his base self can't sustain that. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. . The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. @hyperbeing said:. Minor nitpick. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. Manhattan. Also, Spectre is supposed to be the avatar of the Presence an gets owned often. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. Here is the NEW Presence vs TOAA thread. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre # 493 Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. This. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. It is embedded. So I might be missing something.